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August 12, 2008

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I still think its an evil plot :-).

One of the nice things about iSCSI is that assumes an unreliable Layer 2 network, and performs error correction on top of this. This allows for a much greater margin of error, which means faster deployments and lower purchase costs.

In all likelihood FCoE will assume a completely reliable Layer 2 network, which means the kinds of end to end QA and compatability matrices that plague FC deployments.

Dave,

I am a big fan of your blog too. There is another great blogger named Chuck. Comparing your blog to Chuck's, I feel yours is more straightforward. I like your blog style a little bit better.

BTW, I remember Netapp CTO Dr. Pawlowski has a blog site too. In one of his blog, he mentioned that he was even managing an advanced developer team by himself. (Is he still managing the team?). Say "Hi" to him if you get a chance.

Thanks,

Shibin

'Say "Hi" to him if you get a chance.'

-- A silly comment from me. I know you say "Hi" to him everyday if you both are working in the same building. What I really meant is: I would ask him "Hi, is your advanced developer group still growing?" if I got a chance.

Dave,

I have two more comments:

1. You mentioned conspiracy, so my first comment is about conspiracy. There are two kinds of conspiracies: good conspiracy and bad conspiracy. I.e. I admit that data center consolidation is a conspiracy of green IT, but it’s a good one. It’s good to everyone. Data center consolidation doesn’t mean the vendors making less money. First, consolidation doesn’t mean price cut. If you consolidate two disks into one and double the price, you are making the same amount of money. Second, “next generation” is a driving force of replacing old equipment and “green” will be one of the factors driving “next generation”.
2. Your entire article shows very strong preference. It looks like you were forcing yourself thinking on NetApp side. Using some standard, you are not an independent thinker. Is there anything wrong? The answer is no. If I am working for NetApp, I will be thinking on NetApp side too. However, if I am working for EMC, I will be thinking on EMC side. I would say it’s an acceptable preference. From your blog, I never saw you were nice to EMC. Can I draw a conclusion that you are un-nice? The answer is clear: no!

Shibin

Dave,
The introduction of FCoE in the same fabric particularly SAN will need Ethernet as well as FC management as compare to current FC. Do you think it may delay or decline the adoption of FCoE? Or standard like SMI-s help in this?

Ashish

Data Center Ethernet (DCE) solves the problem of too many diverse cables on server side and this could very well be true for Netapp as well. Today we got way too many cables - "Ethernet", "Fibre channel" and "Infiniband" on servers. With a single DCE physical link (having multiple virtual lanes), you can run "classical ethernet", "fibre channel" protocols. You won't need "Infiniband" any more as DCE is supposed to support Messaging and RDMA that Infiniband provides.

In short, DCE in short should cleanup all the cable mess we got in server farms today. This is going to be the "USB" of desktops.

Hi,
I read the white-paper by Mike E and Joshua K on Tech-ONTAP about pNFS.

Reading your end note,
"The end-game has become clear. The future of Fibre Channel is Ethernet"


I would say NETAPP is at an advantage with its NAS dominance and future developments w.r.t FCoE and pNFs go.

What would you like to comment on pNFS and FCoE?

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