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November 03, 2009

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Representative of the accuracy of this entry Ray Noorda did not coin the term coopetition. Even cursory reading of any business books outside of tech would show it's been in a business publications going back to the start of this century.

Of course that's NetApp's big thing, the first time the company hears something it believes the idea must have originated then and there so life in the echo chamber means it looks like everyone is copying them.

Knowing how these things work I'm sure we'll be back here again when the latest post has you claiming Paris Hilton, or Jay Kidd, coined the term "Frenemy".

You are correct in the fact that EMC does offer cloud services, because you can't understand what it takes to build and operate at hyperscale until you do so yourself. It's the difference between growing one of the ingredients and being a Master Chef. I can tell you from personal experience there's more to cooking than just growing potatoes and more to cloud than last year's model storage systems running two different operating systems marketed under the same name but integrated at the installer level.

Though take heart, to prevent any loneliness I'm sure IBM will be along to drag you into their latest ill conceived crazy scheme as it looks like the same old suspects from the Aperi initiative are all out in the cold once again when it comes to Cloud.

On the other hand sales of Vblock 1 & 2 from Cisco and EMC started yesterday.

'Zilla, your defense of EMC's strategy makes no sense. Are you saying in order to offer a (large-scale) service you have to build all the pieces yourself? Whatever happened to the concept of division of labor in a civilization?

Does the US Air Force build their own planes in order to operate the largest air force in the world? Do FedEx or UPS build their own trucks and airplanes to deliver the fastest and most trusted package delivery service(s) in the world? Does NetFlix have to build their own servers, storage systems and private internet to stream movies on demand for their popular service? Of course not.

EMC seems to following yesterday's rules in an attempt to survive in tomorrow's economy. Trying to be all things to all people has never been a sustainable strategy. Ask Andy Grove. In fact, EMC's incumbency in your installed base is the only value you bring to Cisco. That in itself is also not a sustainable strategy, as all of your competitors continue to gain market-share at your expense.

The Great Recession is an ideal opportunity to re-examine vendors for the next generation of Service Oriented Infrastructures, and I for one will certainly not pick a confused supplier who thinks competing with me helps them understand me!

Storagezilla,

Good to see EMC's normal tactics of slamming competitors are there for all to see. Im sure all people reading your post would pick up your sour grapes and take it on board.

EMC and integrated solutions is an oxymoron. Best you spend a bit more time fixing your own products before choosing to discredit your competition.

I can understand today hasnt been the best day for those at EMC. For all the marketing fluff circulating in the market about this partnership with Cisco and VMware, the skeptics around the world have been scathing.

Look forward to Chuck's response tomorrow and some more mind tricks

This is excellent investment news from StorageZilla! I'm re-mortgaging the house now to go long on STX, BRCD & STEC since EMC clearly needs to own the entire storage supply chain in order to understand how to sell their vertically integrated Private Cloud Lock-In solution.

@Zilla - always glad to have you expose EMC's flawed logic out in public for all to see and comment. Please keep it up! :)

@Gerard - welcome to Exposed! I like your customer perspective on this. From a Cloud Enablement (i.e. supplier) perspective, I guess we could wonder why Boeing isn't competing with SouthWest, GMC with FedEx, or Cisco with Comcast, etc... :)

@Unbiased Storage Advisor - welcome as well! You seem to know this industry from an experienced vantage point. Please don't be a stranger.

@IneedAbailOut - Love the nickname. Feel free to update us on other "hot" stock tips. But, let's just try to avoid turning this in the Y!Finance message boards :)

@Zilla - Why are you worrying about NetApp offering 2 choices of OS (for different needs) on the same hardware?

Can I pick something other than Flare on my CLARiiON? Is there a roadmap for integrating Flare and Enginuity or do you plan to ship 2 incompatable operating systems for 2 products on the same product continuum forever?

Indeed another fine example of flawed logic in public... I’m not sure I follow Mr B Kettle’s argument either.

Different operating systems and different hardware platforms is great for customers.

Sorry, I meant to say different operating systems is bad for customers.

Why does this kid StorageZilla need to keep regurgitating Wikipedia content to prove his so-called knowledge? Kinda juvenile, just like his logic for why EMC can't make up it's mind whether to be a Cloud enabler or provider.

Hint, you can't be both. Only kids think working at Santa's workshop lets you keep & play with all the toys.

@Zilla:
As I understand it, the Celerra actually runs 3 operating systems simultaneously at all times (DART for Data Movers, FLARE for the hidden CLARiiON, and RedHat Linux for the management console).

Am I to understand your point as being that NetApp FAS is using too _few_ OS's?

So JeffT... Are you suggesting that someone who calls himself "StorageZilla" on the Internet might, in reality, be a sad, insecure, spotty little herbert who was routinely beaten up as a child by the girls on his high school netball team?

How *DARE* you...

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