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This reminds me. A while back I wrote a piece for Robin Harris' StorageMojo blog here:

http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/26/netapp-weighs-in-on-disks/

Apparently one of my prognostications about RAID5 has taken on a life of it's own! :-)

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Well, how's that for a meme?!?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

Definitely gets a mention in Ray Day Pay Par Too.

Great article. Would be interesting to see some percentage data on the number of actual systems running this form of RAID-6 in production today. Must be unmatched in the industry!

This might be a good time to reflect on the old saying "All hardware eventually fails, all software eventually works".

Most errors that generate services calls these days are software or firmware issues, not flat out hardware failures. That said, there's no reason not to manage your hardware failure risk with a good raid setup.

Overall, good writeup. I used to have a bias against fixed parity drive raid 6 until a friend of mine at Netapp set me straight about the unique way you destage data to your disks.

Thanks, OSSG; part 2 may be a wee bit delayed as I'm off on holiday for a week. Lots of other advantages to RAID-DP I'll dicuss then.

Sorry, but this looks, even for a NetAPP fan like myself mostly like a big amount of FUD.

- Raid4 has been standard in OnTap for ages till the nearstore IDE disks called for raid-dp and you call it "rarely used" - where have you been before Raid-DP was introduced and can you supply numbers how many people use Raid-DP with FC disks? I suppose almost noone actually.

I don't see why the myriad of Raid levels in the storage industry has to be a disadvantage per itself. Of course it tends to be useless to optimize on that level if (and only if) you got an nvram card in your box and can optimize far beyond a normal controller's means; but still - whats the problem with having options?

Reminds me of that note in /etc/rc of our filers long ago:

"any color you like as long as it's lack"

Still, I didnt even wanna read your technical bits after such an ignorant introduction. This is what I hated about Suns NetAPP-hating blog posts and _so far_ NetAPP had appeared to have much more sensible employees.

I do have figures, and RAID-DP accounts for the bulk of our user base. Across a sample of 7000+ systems with 128,000 RAID groups surveyed from AutoSupport data, 75% are RAID-DP. From the same data 94% of the volumes created in the last 12 months were RAID-DP.

It's now the standard recommendation for NetApp systems, even for FC drives, due to the fact that it's equally space efficent (14+2 as opposed to RAID-4 7+1) and performs to within about 1 to 2% of RAID-4.

RAID options that force you to choose between performance, capacity or reliability I don't really see as options.

As I don't reference or bash any competitor here, I'm disappointed you take me to task for it. I'm equally surprised you think me ignorant of how our customers use our systems. Hopefully the numbers I give here and the rest of the blog entry will help you understand why RAID-DP is to be preferred over any other RAID.

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